Why should I care about short term stock market fluctuations?
Why should I care about short term stock market fluctuations?
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I understand that the stock market is important. Even when people don't directly invest in it, they might still have pension savings which will be invested in the stock market. Returns over a 20–50 year period thus make a real difference to standards of living upon retirement.
But why should I care if the stock markets
drop 10% on one day and rise 5% the day after
? It's a symptom of economic uncertainty due to current events, which lead to real economic problems for some, but we already knew that, with
millions of tourism jobs at risk
, transportation companies (temporarily) laying off people, schools closing making it harder for some people to earn a living, and global trade affecting supply lines, all real effects affecting real people. I'm also aware of high frequency traders earning a lot of money because they receive news 5 milliseconds before others, but that is on a millisecond level, not a daily level. Yet large parts of the press seem quite focussed on daily (or even sub-daily) stock market fluctuations. Why?
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Short-term fluctuations are more significant than they might seem because:
They are not as small in relation to long-term returns as one might expect. For Brownian motion (random walk) the typical move over a given time interval scales only weakly, with the
square root
of the time interval. So a really bad day can wipe out a whole year's return.
They are not transient, i.e., stock prices are not mean-reverting. Rather, stock prices behave as a
martingale
where today's price determines the expectation value of all future prices. Thus, if you are retired and living off a stock portfolio, when the market drops 10% (no matter in a day, a week, or a year), your expected standard of living
for the rest of your life
just dropped 10%. (That doesn't mean you
must
immediately reduce your living expenses by 10%, of course, but you would do so if you want to keep your risk of running out of money unchanged.)
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For long term investors, daily stock market fluctuation is noise. However, the market falling 25% in less than two months has a much greater implications than daily noise or the affects on some specific groups of people (tourism workers, transportation companies, etc.).
The consequences of a deep global recession affects every industry. Apart from job loss, many will lose their homes and be unable to afford basic necessities. Just look back at the 2008 GFC and the observe the hard consequences of that.
FWIW, high frequency trading have nothing to do with this. They're 'arbing' their millisecond speed advantage regardless of whether we're in a normal or a volatile market.
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Like earthquakes, it depends how large the shift is.
Minor changes don't generally matter
The stock markets tend to bounce around inside a small window. I'll pick 5% to be safe (I rarely hear of the stock markets over a 5% drop). So if the market goes up or down 5% in a week's time, that's not a very big deal. Yes, that's impactful to someone, but it's a minor gain or loss. Here's an
NYSE composite for the last year
Note that there's ups and downs, but the gradual
trend
is upward prior to the last week. In most cases, this is where the market tends to be. Worrying over these smaller fluctuations isn't worth it. Markets tend to go up over time. If you have enough distributed risk (such as mutual funds), you might not feel much, if at all.
Major drops signify something is wrong
At yesterday's close, the market was down about 20% from its peak just a week or so ago. That's not a fluctuation, that's a
correction
In investing, a correction is a decline of 10% or more in the price of a security from its most recent peak. Corrections can happen to individual assets, like an individual stock or bond, or to an index measuring a group of assets.
The catch here is
why
you're investing. If you have a 401k and 20 years to retirement, worrying about a correction
today
is silly. The market will recover eventually. Long term goals should not be altered over corrections.
If you have money in the market because it's being used for short-term needs (i.e. a medical trust or a personal use account), this is a
lot
more painful because you still have to sell, but that stock is worth a lot less.
Worse, it might take a lot of sliding to get back to where the market can go back up. In 2008, the cause of the slide was the spike in defaults in the US mortgage market after the real estate bubble burst. Today, it's the coronavirus shuttering
entire industries for an indefinite period
. We might not have hit bottom either. As such, being concerned about investments here isn't a bad thing at all. The key is not to panic.
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You are absolutely right. If you are long-term investor, you mostly do not care about day2day changes. The least-sized scale you trade is basically 1 month candle or 20% price change. You are also would be working mostly with fundamental information, ignoring stock price history at all.
BUT. Even while you do not trade on low scales does not mean that you should ignore technical information. Check out indicators such as volatility, volume-based indexes etc. because they could possibly provide information for you to understand fundamental issues of your instruments.
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There are some great answers already like nanoman's and machavity's, but there's an additional worry, especially if you own individual stocks:
stocks can drop to zero.
For instance down 25% back up 28% for a 3% net only works, crucially,
if the drop didn't wipe you out and you are still in the game to bounce back
.
This worry is
in addition to
all the other worries like the knock-on halo effects. As to why you should worry about this on the timescale you reference, well, there's a saying in stocks that a bull comes up on the stairs but a bear goes out the window. Stocks
fall
faster than they
build up/recover
. As the other answers point out this is a problem if you're retired and not still contributing earned income, but it's a bigger problem if your assets become
completely worthless
, and that can happen in
shockingly
short periods of time.
Owning stock indirectly shields you from much of this worry, but really big shocks can cause the bankruptcy of whole firms (including the one running your mutual fund).
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But why should I care if the stock markets drop 10% on one day and rise 5% the day after?
Because if you are actively investing into stocks, that opens you to a very great purchase window. Think like this: if there's something you have for long wanted to buy and you see -10% discount on it, will you buy it? Most probably.
Similarly, if you are planning to buy stocks and there's a discount, you should take advantage of the opportunity and do the purchase for the discounted price.
I also disagree with nanoman about mean-reversion property of stocks. Stocks do have a mean reversion property. Think like this: if you own a stock with 1 USD dividend that costs 10 USD, and then its price will drop to 1.5 USD, do you expect its price to stay at 1.5 USD (+ natural growth) in the future? You don't.
To make that more extreme: if the dividend is 1 USD and the stock price is 0.1 USD, do you think its price will stay at 0.1 USD forever? No it doesn't.
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Quoted from Forex.com.bd-Editorial External question — Personal Finance Stack Exchange Author: gerrit Source score (net votes, not local likes): 31 Original post: https://money.stackexchange.com/questions/121538 License: CC BY-SA 4.0 — https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Adaptation: HTML converted to plain text; contact email addresses removed. I understand that the stock market is important. Even when people don't directly invest in it, they might still have pension savings which will be invested in the stock market. Returns over a 20–50 year period thus make a real difference to standards of living upon retirement. But why should I care if the stock markets drop 10% on one day and rise 5% the day after ? It's a symptom of economic uncertainty due to current events, which lead to real economic problems for some, but we already knew that, with millions of tourism jobs at risk , transportation companies (temporarily) laying off people, schools closing making it harder for some people to earn a living, and global trade affecting supply lines, all real effects affecting real people. I'm also aware of high frequency traders earning a lot of money because they receive news 5 milliseconds before others, but that is on a millisecond level, not a daily level. Yet large parts of the press seem quite focussed on daily (or even sub-daily) stock market fluctuations. Why?
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