How can I privately insure against bank going bankrupt?
How can I privately insure against bank going bankrupt?
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In Australia we have the goverment backed
FCS
The Financial Claims Scheme (FCS) is an Australian Government scheme that provides protection to deposit-holders with Australian incorporated banks, building societies and credit unions (known as authorised deposit-taking institutions or ADIs), and general insurance policyholders and claimants, in the unlikely event that one of these financial institutions fails.
The FCS is a government-backed safety net for deposits of up to $250,000 per account holder per ADI.
If I would like more cover, could I get it privately?
Let's say I sold a house for $5,000,000, and I wanted to say keep that money in my bank account for a few months while I sorted out buying a new one.
The risk of the bank going bankrupt in that period is very low, but not zero.
So if i wanted to spend some money to shield myself against that risk,
what sort of policy would i be looking for? What are the key words to tell an insurance company/broker?
Is this even a thing?
Manually splitting between banks would rapidly become an adminstrative nightmare. Especially for relatively short-term. $5M would need to be split between 20 banks.
And there are less than 100 ADIs, so this would cap out at $25M.
So I am wondering instead about insurance taken privately.
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There is a very similar scheme in the UK. There is one big risk: If your bank cannot pay, then another bank or insurance can likely not pay either. You can open savings accounts in enough different banks to reduce the risk, you can't make it go away.
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In the United States you can open accounts at different banks/Credit Unions. In The US the amount of coverage can be increased by the use of Joint and Individual accounts. A couple can get 3x the coverage by each having a personal account, and then having a joint account.
In Australia this doesn't work the same way
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For joint accounts, the amount of FCS protection is determined by
splitting the deposit equally between the account holders. Each
account holder's share is then added to any other eligible deposits
they may hold under their own name at the same bank, building society
or credit union before the $250,000 FCS limit is then applied to the
total for each individual. Case study
Alex and Peter have a number of accounts with their credit union:
$300,000 in a joint account
$50,000 in a separate account in only Alex’s name.
The FCS protects a total amount of deposits up to $250,000 for each
account holder for each bank, building society and credit union.
Therefore, Peter is covered under the FCS for $150,000 (half the joint
account) while Alex is covered for $200,000 (being the sum of $150,000
from the joint account in addition to the $50,000 from his individual
account).
That would mean that you need to split the funds across different financial institutions.
You have to be careful that the
financial institutions aren't related
:
The FCS protects deposits up to $250,000 per account holder at each
separate bank, building society or credit union (also known as
authorised deposit-taking institutions, or ADIs). So a person can have
up to $250,000 in deposit accounts with a number of different ADIs,
and they will all be protected by the FCS.
It is important to note that some ADIs market themselves under more
than one brand or trading name. For example, BankWest is part of the
Commonwealth Bank, while St George is part of Westpac. Some banks also
offer accounts under the name of a different company, such as a
subsidiary of the ADI: for example, deposit accounts offered by RAMS
are actually Westpac accounts. Some accounts may also be branded or
marketed under the name of a third party, such as Bank of Queensland
offering accounts under “Virgin Money Australia” name or National
Australia Bank offering accounts under the “Citi” name.
So, a depositor might think they have accounts with two different
banks, when both accounts are actually with the same institution. More
information is available on our Different banking businesses under one
banking licence page.
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Many brokerages allow you to sweep funds into FDIC backed account. That account though, is spread over multiple bank deposits.
Fidelity's FDIC-Insured Deposit Sweep Program details
In utilizing the Program, your uninvested cash balance is swept to a
program bank where the deposit is eligible for FDIC insurance. If you
have more than $245,000 in uninvested cash in your account, the
Program will maximize your eligibility for FDIC insurance by
allocating uninvested cash across multiple program banks. Assuming all
the banks have available capacity, a customer could have up to $4
million of uninvested cash in their Fidelity Cash Management and IRA
accounts covered by FDIC insurance.
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If the money is deposited in Germany, there is a second layer of insurance that protects you. First, there is a government backed deposit insurance similar to the Australian one which is limited to 100,000 Euros.
But in the case of a bank going bankrupt, this insurance would only be the second step. Before that kicks in, there is an insurance where the banks insure each other (
here
is the website of this insurance scheme, in German). If one bank goes broke, the other banks take over the accounts of their customers including all funds or debt. Technically an individual bank may not be part of the insurance scheme but all major banks are, the link has a list of all members. Only if the other banks are not able to take over the accounts of the bankrupt bank, the limits of the government insurance scheme would apply.
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You are massively over-concerned with the problem of bank failure in Australia.
Australia has not had a bank truly fail (as opposed to being taken over) since the 1990's. This is because, as well as the investor guarantees, Australia has a very well-regulated banking system governed by the APRA - unlike the US which has both many more banks and much less control over risky investments.
The most recent banks to fail were the State Bank of Victoria (1990), State Bank of South Australia (1991), and the R&I Bank of Western Australia / Bankwest (1992). All of those were rescued by the appropriate state government and investors suffered no losses. So nobody in Australia has suffered a loss from a bank failure in at least thirty years, and probably a lot longer.
If you are keeping a large amount of money in a bank for merely a few months the chances of you losing money due to a bank failure are negligible by any measure. You would do much better by focussing your attention and effort on matters which might make you some profit or guard against a significant risk.
You can reduce that already negligible risk by putting the money in one of the "Big Four" banks. There is zero chance that the government will let those fail. Or alternatively, if you absolutely have to take some protection in order to have peace of mind, ask your lawyer to keep it. They will have insurance that covers them in case of losses. (Although statistically it's actually far more likely that your lawyer will steal the money than your bank will collapse.)
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